“Biggest Loser’s” New Trainers? Cara Castronova & Brett Hoebel

Biggest Loser's New Female Trainer Cara Castronova in profile

Oh the fun of being a blogger sometimes.  I literally got an anonymous phone call from someone connected with "The Biggest Loser" who wanted me to know who the two new trainers are for the upcoming season 11. I've got 'em.  Cara Castronova (you have to scroll down a bit to see her info) and Brett Hoebel.  I do NOT have confirmation of this from the show but ... The rumor has been going around that it's Brett and my anonymous tipster confirmed that was true.  He's a martial artist and a personal trainer who has trained some Victoria's Secret models.  His bio states that he
is an award-winning group fitness instructor and nationally recognized personal trainer with certifications in Personal Training, Nutrition & Lifestyle Coaching, Metabolic Typing™ Nutrition, C.H.E.K. Holistic Exercise Kinesiology, Hatha Yoga, and Prenatal/Postpartum conditioning.
That's not too bad of a list.  I'll be checking on it further ... it doesn't list specifically what his personal trainer certifications are, so I'd like to find out more about that. Now for Cara.  She is very pretty and a two-time Golden Gloves boxing champion with amazingly gorgeous hair.  She has been trying to establish an acting career since 2007 or so and is represented by agents in Hollywood.  It appears, however, she has zippo for certifications.  I can't find one single reference to a fitness certification anywhere.  I also couldn't find a reference to her being a personal trainer anywhere.  I don't know if she's ever had clients in real life. The pictures above are two stills from video clips.  The outline profile on the left is from the "Biggest Loser" season 11 teaser promo on NBC.com and the second still is from a History Channel documentary about Warrior Women.  Looks pretty darned similar no? If you listen to the voice of the new female trainer on the promo for season 11 as well as Cara's acting promo tape, it sure sounds and looks like the same person to me.  Ditto for Brett; I listened to a TV interview and compared it to the "BL" promo.  Their body types, bios, and voices all match.  I think I've got it right this time.  By the way, I thought Brett's cueing was good; he had good pacing, used breathwork well, and corrected form.  All good signs. What do you think?  How do you feel about Cara, who potentially doesn't have ANY certifications to speak of working with a morbidly obese population? I'm not happy if that's the case.  I hope I'm wrong. For the producers to go and hire just a pretty face without a fitness resume is pretty darned disturbing. Is it more about the ratings or more about saving lives? By the way if you're new to my blog please feel free to click around and see what else I talk about it.  A lot of fitness and nutrition information delivered with a healthy dose of humor.  I also have a newsletter which gives you a peek behind my blog and extra tidbits that don't make the regular posts.  Just sign up at the top right hand column.  Thanks! Let's get the discussion going. Lisa

About Lisa Johnson

Lisa Johnson here. I've been a personal trainer since 1997, a Pilates instructor since 1998 and the owner of Modern Pilates since 1999. I'm hoping to give you some good ideas to get or stay in shape with a healthy dose of humor and reality. Thanks for joining me.

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91 Responses to “Biggest Loser’s” New Trainers? Cara Castronova & Brett Hoebel

  1. Kris @Krazy_kris December 16, 2010 at 6:03 pm #

    Hmmmmmm – what can I say?

  2. Melisa December 16, 2010 at 6:06 pm #

    Oh my gosh, I hope that’s wrong. As a group cycling instructor, I have lots of conversations with my members about the show (which I ADORE); many people are frustrated enough that they think the show gives people the wrong idea about how fitness should be achieved. I constantly have to tell them that there are doctors just off camera, and the contestants’ job during their time on campus IS to exercise and focus on themselves: obviously the general population can’t realistically do this but can gain pretty good advice about diet and fitness, as well as the motivation to just get going. If Cara isn’t properly certified (and personally, I would expect that a tv trainer would have more certifications than the average joe.). If she’s not, the show’s reputation is doomed, in my opinion.

  3. Lisa Johnson December 16, 2010 at 6:56 pm #


    She certainly could have enough time to study and get proper certifications. She might even have had them for a few years and doesn’t have it out on the internet because she was trying to become an actress, not a trainer … we’ll see.


  4. Jennifer Fields December 16, 2010 at 7:42 pm #

    I hope the BL has learned their lesson and has hired professional, certified trainers with more than just a short time of experience. But as a certified fitness professional myself, I have issues with the show on many levels. Their training methods aren’t realistic and in my opinion too often unsafe. If I ever got in a clients face and screamed at them I’d be fired – and rightly so! And I would never take a morbidly obese person and run them through the heat. I’m sure there are doctors off screen on the show, but what message does it send to those sitting home and watching? Look at their long-term weight loss success. It’s low. But that’s not what people see. Weight loss and significant lifestyle change takes way more than being isolated on a ranch for 6 months.

  5. Lisa December 16, 2010 at 8:13 pm #

    Brett Hoebel is the trainer for Beachbody’s Rev Abs workout program!!

  6. Lisa Johnson December 16, 2010 at 8:18 pm #

    yup Lisa, he is :-)

  7. Ashley December 16, 2010 at 8:53 pm #

    Just the fact that when you google her, her aspiring acting career pops up and there is nothing about fitness should tell you enough. Sounds like another story about a girl sleeping her way onto television. Not rare in Hollywood.

    When will television producers realize that the viewing audience isn’t THAT stupid?

    Even if she DID get certified after the fact – she obviously got the job for reasons other than fitness expertise.

  8. Jessica December 17, 2010 at 1:07 am #

    This casting, if true, makes me sad. There are so many charismatic, knowledgeable, certified fitness professionals out there and TBL cast someone as the new trainer and she has no apparent credentials? Sure, she can scream and yell, flaunt her prominent muscles on camera and maybe tap into her boxing cred (which is impressive, I will give her that- but there are a LOT of really accomplished athletes working as trainers who took the time to study exercise science and/or get certified) to intimidate the contestants into submitting to her workouts but what are they really learning? They’re learning to be afraid.

    One of the things I remember best from a conference I attended this summer was a quote from Gray Cook (who is an absolute GENIUS physical therapist and strength coach!) about movement as human behavior: ‘We don’t LEARN from fear, we SURVIVE on it.” I suspect that one of the reasons TBL’s contestants don’t keep the weight off long term is because they have begun to associate negative feelings or fear with exercise from their experiences on the ranch; human beings tend to avoid situations that cause anxiety and this may be no exception. It’s a huge oversimplification to limit it to just that, but human behavior change is a very, very long process that requires positive reinforcement with accomplishment and accountability. Accountability vanishes once contestants leave the ranch and many have admitted that they began gaining weight moments after the final weigh-in from simply drinking water.

    I’d really like TBL to show America that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of fitness professionals that are certified, educated (self educated or formally) and successful. By continuing to cast wannabe actors as trainers, the show not only damages the expectations of what weight loss can look like but it ruins the reputation of an entire field of people who love their jobs and respect the field enough to take it seriously. I challenge TBL to show America that qualified trainers are still ratings draws. I know there are….I’m friends with many of them!

  9. Lisa Johnson December 17, 2010 at 8:34 am #

    Go Jessica!! What an awesome comment, that really deserves it’s own blog post! :-) L–

  10. Sonia Simone December 17, 2010 at 2:50 pm #

    I have a lot of problems with Jillian’s emotional abuse of participants. (I don’t watch the show regularly, so this is just based on sporadic viewing.) Bob seems much more compassionate and approaches things in a much healthier way. The participants often seem grateful to her afterwards, but honestly, that just seems like part of their pathology. Some of them seem like they’re mentally translating to “I did the work, I made the effort,” and those are the ones I would bet will keep it off.

    What do the numbers look like on contestants after the show? How much weight do they typically keep off?

    I actually have a problem with the entire premise of TBL. As a TV show, they have to have the ratings. They have to make good television. And when that conflicts with doing what’s best for most people for long-term results, they’re going to sacrifice weight loss best practices in order to tell a more compelling story.

    Maybe the inspiration outweighs that, I don’t know. I do find it very inspiring myself.

  11. Proform Pete December 17, 2010 at 3:08 pm #

    I was very interested who the new people were going to be, thanks for the insight. I was not surprised to read it was just another pretty face. I don’t think they make that show one bit for saving lives, it’s all about the money!

  12. Lisa Johnson December 17, 2010 at 3:13 pm #

    Sonia I have a lot of the same conflicts as you. I do find the show inspiring and it’s amazing to me to watch the hope flash in the contestants eyes. To have the light bulbs go off and see them “get it.” But then I cringe at the expectations of the show … how many people say they’re going to do “Biggest Loser” at home and “only” lose 2 pounds in a week and think they’re a failure.

    I have lots of problems with the form on the show and trainers teaching contestants about things they themselves are not qualified to teach. They are very hush – hush about the numbers for weight maintenance after the show but I think it’s pretty darned high. Easy to lose weight in a bubble and then really hard to keep it off in reality.

  13. Sonia Simone December 17, 2010 at 4:56 pm #

    There was a neat episode of Oprah (which I don’t watch either, but it was on when I was at the gym) of some TBL former contestants. Most of whom had gained back a relatively small amount but were still much better off, but that’s just a selection — I think it wsa 4 or 5 people. They talked about what they learned from the experience, which was interesting to see.

    I also feel like TBL tells people (and Jillian is very big on this message) that there’s no point in starting small. Which I think is 1000% wrong. If you weigh 400 pounds and you start by walking to the end of the block and back, that’s major — and IMO it’s a smarter place to begin than running on a treadmill until you vomit/pass out/fall off.

  14. Alan Guinn December 17, 2010 at 5:09 pm #

    Come on, Lisa. Network TV is all about the ratings, which drive the cost per point to the advertisers.

    If this were a cable show on a relevant network, it’s possible it might really be about helping participants to enjoy a better quality of life. However, even on cable networks, profit is a motivator

    Here’s a secret. You know I’m a Consultant.

    I actually produced and directed a video sent into TBL for consideration for a potential contestant. I was astounded at what the video showed, and can comment forthrightly and directly…yep it’s about the ratings.


  15. Lisa Johnson December 17, 2010 at 5:14 pm #

    Sonia, LOL … I’ve heard rumors over the years that the successful one’s get trotted out regularly. You’ll notice that a lot of those people now have “lifestyle and coaching” businesses so their image is important to their paycheck (always a good motivator, trust me, this one I know personally). I also agree w/you on baby steps. The go big or go home theory really just sets people up for failure. Then they just go back to their bag of chips more defeated than ever. Maybe that works in a bubble but that doesn’t work in real life IMO.

  16. Lisa Johnson December 17, 2010 at 5:15 pm #


    In my hopeful, Polly-Annish brain I keep praying that it’s both. That you can create great content with tons of appeal and also keep people safe and still be super successful. Call me crazy …


  17. Roque December 20, 2010 at 6:31 pm #

    Lisa , you should be careful not to put your foot in your mouth, let time do the talking. Will you be so eager to blog an apology if Cara turns out to be a qualified trainer? Maybe there’s another reason why you seem to be so upset about it. Kepp on blogging about other peoples lives honey, you’re doing a great job!

  18. Edward Marquez December 20, 2010 at 6:39 pm #

    Cara is going to Rock the Show not only is she beautiful she is an amazingly talented Trainer! Boxers are the best Trainers because they know what to eat and how to workout to cut weight. I think she is going to do things on this show that no one other trainer has ever done. She is more then qualified i dont think the biggest loser could of picked a better person for the job! Cant wait for the next Season!!

  19. Lisa Johnson December 20, 2010 at 8:34 pm #

    Roque & Edward,

    I am taking nothing away from Cara as far as charisma, beauty, passion and her pretty damned amazing boxing skills. I’m sure she’s great on camera and her passion will carry over to viewers as well as to the contestants and that counts for a lot.

    My issue is her qualifications to teach others. Being an amazing athlete does not always translate into being even a decent trainer. Sometimes people are so naturally gifted they don’t even know how to transfer their own skills to other because it just “comes to them.”

    To be a good trainer you need to know anatomy, physiology and kinesiology. You need to know structurally how the body works, the point of origin and the point of insertion of a muscle for instance. The amount of rotation in vertebrae, the range of motion of the shoulder joint, the point of impingement of various joints. You need to know whether your client is a visual, tactile or aural learner and you need to have an arsenal of cues to translate what you want done to that person.

    Me, I’m an aural learner, I literally close my eyes so I can learn the information better in my body. Most people aren’t, they’re visual. But I have to know how to cue to that person. I also have to know how to adjust a workout every single day to meet the needs of that person. Literally today I had two clients who came in exhausted and we adjusted the workout to suit their needs. I started slow and then kicked it in once they woke up a bit and got their bodies moving again.

    It’s a science and an art and it has to be learned over a period of time. I tell my Pilates instructors it takes 5 years to really get your chops. Again, being a great athlete doesn’t translate into being a great trainer. It’s an entirely different skill set. Think of it this way, it’s like asking an amazing Italian chef preparing a gourmet Japanese sushi meal.

    I want Cara to be successful and a really strong trainer. I want that for the contestants and I want that for the viewers to see what truly good training is like. I don’t want this girl to fail. But I do want her to be properly educated.

    The Biggest Loser contestants are a group of morbidly obese individuals. The set is essentially a medical facility. In the real world a newbie trainer wouldn’t be allowed near this population. Do you think it’s fair to do that on TV?


  20. LizN December 20, 2010 at 8:41 pm #

    Lisa, I agree and would be disappointed to see anyone on a show like that without credentials – it immediately takes the credibility away from the show. Would you mind if I posted a link here to an article I wrote about regulation of personal trainers in my own blog. I’d like to know what you think.

    Anyway here is the link if you’re interested. It’s something I’m passionate about too.

    Best, Liz N

  21. Lisa Johnson December 20, 2010 at 9:03 pm #

    happy to have it here Liz. Thanks for adding your voice to the discussion …

  22. Roque December 20, 2010 at 10:05 pm #

    Actually Lisa, it’s more like asking an amazing Italian chef to teach someone to cook Italian food, and 95% of the time they probably could. I could think of about 750 people off the top of my head who I’d rather not see on T.V. but instead I choose to get on with my own life.

  23. Dài December 21, 2010 at 4:51 am #

    {removed swearing here} The fitness industry is so broad that all anyone has stated here is opinion, not fact!
    And do you actually think a huge network like that would open themselves up to the legal ramifications of her NOT being a qualified trainer?
    Elite athletes often know more about training, anatomy, physiology, motivation etc than trainers who simply did a course.
    You’ll never know it all in this line of work dear and I just wanted you to know, you look bitchy and silly in this post

  24. alex December 21, 2010 at 5:18 am #

    Lisa! did you try out for the show? you wouldve been great!

  25. Lisa Johnson December 21, 2010 at 8:34 am #

    Alex, thanks for the comment, I don’t think I’d be a good fit for the show. I don’t think I’d be willing to push the contestants to the extremes that the producers seem to be pushing them. Although I think Pilates would be excellent for the contestants, I see a lot of knee supports worn by the contestants by the end of the show and the way Pilates does legwork could really help them strengthen that joint (and several others) and I think it could mitigate some of the injuries that appear to be happening.

  26. Lisa Johnson December 21, 2010 at 8:35 am #

    WARNING: Hater’s gotta hate, if you’ve got a valid point I’ll let your comment through. This is a clean, supportive community, if you start swearing, inappropriately attacking or generally being a jerk I’ll edit or ban you from the comments.

    Keep it clean, make your point and I’ll let it through … otherwise don’t bother.


  27. Lisa Johnson December 21, 2010 at 8:40 am #


    My point is that the population of contestants have special needs that should require a higher level of training than I think a lot of trainers have. Yes, you can point to any number of people who have a low level certification and say they aren’t qualified to work with this population. There are online certs (like the kind Bob & Jillian have) that really are geared more to general fitness.

    I think your point is interesting about the network opening themselves up to legal ramifications if they hired a trainer who isn’t certified, that would be interesting wouldn’t it? What if someone did a “Cara workout” and got injured, would they have the right to sue because they were told she was great by NBC? I don’t know …

    You’re quite right they’ll any trainer will never know it all in this line of work. I know next to nothing about boxing for instance … I know lots about Pilates (but still not everything).


  28. alex December 21, 2010 at 2:44 pm #

    I have also come to realize that certifications do not mean anything. Its just a way for those companies that issue them to make $300 per certification. Then they make more money on the CEUs. People can take a weekend crash course and pass the test and be certified. No certification requires actual experience or true knowledge of fitness. Its basically like cramming for a college exam- pass the exam and you are good to go.
    Its the only profession in which you are directly affecting people’s bodies and you do not need a college degree or federal license to be doing so.

    Certifications are cute but legally they are totally useless- fitness is not regulated by any federal agency. People outside of the fitness industry have no clue about the differences in certifications so you could hold either NCCPT or ACSM and either way to the normal person you are certified. They just dont know the difference- and the people that are producing the Biggest Loser arent fitness people either– they are TV people.

    The only way to know wether someone like Cara is a good trainer is to watch her train- you cant really just google her and look to see what she has done. Ive been around the fitness industry long enough to see a lot of egos and a lot of trainers think they are the best so naturally they want to talk bad about other trainers to make themselves seem like better trainers.
    A lot of trainers think they would be better on TV than the TV trainers but the truth is that they did not try out. You can not win the lottery without buying a ticket- and you can not be on the show without trying out. And at the end of the day – its TV- they are looking for good looking people with watchable personalities

  29. Lisa Johnson December 21, 2010 at 4:07 pm #

    Alex, you make some good points. Certifications run the gamut from an online cert that basically means you send them a few bucks and they send you back a certificate to something much more rigorous like the ACSM which has a great program. Both trainers are “certified” but one has a lot more knowledge to the average consumer though it makes no difference.

    You’re also right that there are two steps to being a good trainer. You need the knowledge (mentioned above) and you need experience which can only be learned on the floor of a gym working with people over time to develop your chops.

    I don’t think certifications are useless, however, at least the good ones. You get to practice on other up and coming trainers instead of clients, you get a good base of anatomy/physiology/kinesiology and you get used to moving around a gym. You get to work the kinks out on your cueing and you get to fill in the gaps in your own knowledge base. Maybe you know a lot about weight training for instance but you don’t know much about how to run cardio programs for your client.

    I would like to see some standardized certifications come to the fitness industry. I saw something like this in Australia and I thought it was a great idea …

    Level 1, online cert, less than one year experience
    Level 2, cert with practical exam and more than one year experience
    Level 3, advanced certification (continued training) and two plus years experience (or college degree)
    Level 4, advanced certs and 5+ years experience with continued ed the whole way (w/ college degree)
    Level 5, a master instructor (someone who teaches others …)

    Something like that would be great. I’m adding the college degree in because it stands to reason that someone with a 4 year degree is going to know a whole heck of a lot more than someone who took a weekend certification.

    There are two aspects to Cara being certified or not. On the one hand she could be an amazing trainer without a certification. All those years of boxing practice could serve her well and she could have a great eye for form and keeping people safe. Afterall, as a boxer you need an eagle eye to find your openings and dodge fists as they fly at you. Then the problem for me would be a floodgate of people who think they’re “as good” as Cara and start training people without certs and a whole bunch of average Joes wind up hurt. That would be really bad for the fitness industry although great for Cara’s DVD fitness sales.

    The other option is that she’s not a good trainer and people are copying her moves at home without medical staff standing by (as they are in BL). Then you’ve got people hurting themselves at home. That would be bad too.

    There have been people who know her rushing to her defense on this comment thread. That’s admirable and I’m glad she’s got peeps who are backing her. But none of them have said, “you’re wrong, she’s certified by X” That scares me more than anything else.

    I hope she realizes her impact will be far greater than just the contestants on the show. People will be inspired by her, they will look up to her, they will copy what she’s doing. What if she’s conveying information that’s not totally accurate or possibly flat out wrong? Who’s responsible? The show for hiring her without credentials? Is she responsible for not taking the time to pick up a cert or two before filming (if that’s true)? Or is it the viewer who believes they’re getting good information and copies her strategies?

    We will, inevitably see if she’s a good trainer on January 4th. I hope, for everyone’s sake she is. I hope she’s taking her responsibilities seriously. It’s a great, great opportunity for her, she can really be a leader and I’ve seen her on the History Channel segment, I know that she is by nature.


  30. Nicole December 21, 2010 at 10:02 pm #

    To all those who feel Cara Castranova is just a pretty face I can assure you she is one hell of a trainer and athlete. I have had the pleasure to train along side her. She is as tough as they come and has helped guide me in my training as a boxer that led me to becoming a 2x NY golden glove champion as well.
    For those of you who feel certifications make the trainer I’m sorry to tell you it doesn’t. I have been to college and studied my way to a bachelors degree in Physical Education. I Been through the torture of every anatomy,kinesiology, exercise phys class you can think of. I work as a trainer in a physical therapy office while i continue my education as a physical therapist. Sure I learned a lot, but as a boxer- not just any athlete, but a competitive one -I’ve learned more in the ring than any classroom setting.
    I’ve been an athlete my whole life. Swimming, soccer, tae-kwon-do and a cross country runner, but it wasn’t until boxing that I taken my athletic ability to the next level. Boxing isn’t a “team sport” its a “you” sport. You don’t rely on your team mates, you rely on yourself. Constantly challenging yourself. You confront your mental blocks and take fitness to an entirely different level.
    Being a fighter you learn about yourself. Your true personality is exposed between the ropes. Cara has first hand experience to find that personality, find there weakness and pull it out of them. An easy example is to look at two fighters- when one applies pressure and aggression does the other answer back or do they dodge punches and become a runner in the ring? You don’t have time to think- you react and whatever your natural response behavior is you will do- simply fight or flight behavior. A good boxer can identify this in another fighter and a great fighter/trainer, such as Cara, will not only recognize this but apply to the way she trains these contestants.
    As far as nutrition goes yet again I’ve learned more from being an athlete when it comes to this than paying thousands of dollars in a private college nutrition course.
    We are trained to treat our bodies like a high priced automobile and that if we only want the best performance we have better give it the best fuel.
    Aside from that I have always said as a boxer i feel there are two fights- the first on the scale and the second in the ring. I would love a trainer who has never fought to tell me what it feels like to make weight… Any fighter can tell you it’s not fun but it’s part of the game and just another mental block to get past. Again, I know Cara knows what this feeling is and i know she will provide the best knowledge when it comes to weight loss.
    These contestants should be lucky to have a trainer such as Cara. She won’t let them “slack off”. She will challenge them- take them to a place they have never been and by this have them learn not only about such an amazing sport, but about themselves. Eventually these contestants will all go home and have to take with them all they have learned. Fitness, nutrition but more importantly what they have to realize about themselves… their own weakness. Once they can identify there weakness they can attack it and attack there self destructive decisions that led them to this obesity. The ring is the best class room to learn this in and Cara is one of the best trainers for this job. Good luck Cara and show everyone how amazing you really are.

  31. Lisa Johnson December 21, 2010 at 10:14 pm #

    An eloquent answer Nicole, thank you. I’m sure your degree in Phys Ed and your experience as a boxer are both serving you well. :-) I’m wondering if you have trained clients and what it feels like to transition from boxer/athlete to trainer/coach. I’d love to hear more about that process from you.



  32. Tristan December 21, 2010 at 10:58 pm #

    Lisa, I just found you through the 3T forum. What a great post! I’ve been really curious about those two new trainers. My girlfriend and I are avid Biggest Loser fans, so I just forwarded this to her :)

    As for Cara not having any history of personal training. Hmmm… That definitely is a concern. Being a great boxer is one thing. I think being a great personal trainer is a whole ‘nuther ball game. But like you said, I’d like to think that the network hired her for reasons other than her looks and boxing.


  33. Lisa Johnson December 21, 2010 at 11:02 pm #

    Thanks Tristan, happy to have you and your girlfriend here :-) We’re a pretty active crowd!

  34. Lisa Johnson December 27, 2010 at 8:06 pm #

    WARNING: If you can’t contribute in a constructive way to this conversation you will NOT get a voice. Say what you have to say respectfully please. :-)

  35. Dansull123 December 29, 2010 at 9:42 am #

    You should know its ALWAYS about the ratings. They probably have a real trainer on site telling Cara what to say (who is a Quasimodo looking chick that they’d never put on air)

  36. Lisa Johnson December 29, 2010 at 10:22 am #

    I have heard they have regular trainers in the gym because the star trainers are constantly off-campus at events or off somewhere on camera. I don’t know how true that is …

  37. Fletcher January 3, 2011 at 12:41 am #

    I don’t know the first thing about Cara, but if what ya’ll are saying is true, Biggest loser should be ashamed. But they have hit a homerun with Brett. In addition to the accolades mentioned aboved, he also did a video with Beachbody (makers of P90X) called Rev Abs that is absolutely awesome and contrary to the name works the whole body (you cant get abs without overall fat loss). I can’t wait to see how he matches up to Bob. I have a question though. Rumor has it that this is Jillians last season and the “guest trainer will be her replacement (hope not). Does anyone know if this is the case for Bob as well. As much as I like Brett’s workout video, I would certainly miss Bob.

  38. Lisa Johnson January 3, 2011 at 9:16 am #

    Hi Fletcher, this is definitely Jillian’s last season, she is finishing her contract and is leaving the show to start a family and “take a year off.” As for who is going to replace her, I don’t know how they’ll do it. There will be three trainers left standing at the end of the season so I don’t know how that’ll be played out on the show. Will the two new trainers compete for a spot? Or will they keep all three and keep that 2nd location and work it all into the show? I don’t know? We’ll have to wait and watch.

    If I’m right about both of them it is interesting how Brett’s resume is so extensive and Cara’s is so not (as a trainer). That being said, boxing is a different world than the standard fitness industry health club stuff. She might have been training other boxers and didn’t put it out there. I just don’t know … we’ll see.



  39. Rebecca R January 4, 2011 at 11:41 pm #

    I agree that a certification does not make a trainer, but I also agree that it takes special skills to train a morbidly obese person. I have a BS in Nutrition Science from UC Davis. I competed at one time in my life at the national level in swimming. In 2001 I weighed 421 lbs. Today I weigh 260 lbs and on my way down to my goal of 180. I just recently had my right knee replaced, with my left one soon to follow. Repetitive high impact aerobics and wear and tear has contributed to the degeneration of my knee joints. I cringe every time I see the morbidly obese doing extreme squats and running. I wonder if the Biggest loser is set to pay the $50K it costs for knee replacement not to mention work loss etc. Working with obesity takes education and experience.

  40. Lisa Johnson January 4, 2011 at 11:49 pm #

    Rebecca thank you very much for you the comments, congrats on the weight loss and I’m sure you’ll reach your goal :-) L–

  41. AnaB January 5, 2011 at 1:29 am #

    Hi Lisa,
    Didn’t know if you’d come across this but I found a post on tvgrapevine.com about the newest season of BL. In a promo video, Bob and Jillian are discussing the upcoming season and lo and behold, Jillian mentions the new trainers by name during her segment. You can fast forward to the 8:41 mark to hear Jillian’s comment.


  42. ken January 5, 2011 at 3:09 am #

    I’ve been in the fitness industry for over 25 years. back when I began training clients you had to have one qualification to even be allowed in a gym… PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. Being a two time Golden Glove winner shows this girl knows how to train, knows what it takes to accomplish fitness related goals and has a comitment driven personality. All qualifications that a simple ACE or any certification can not produce or require. She could have simple sat down on weekend, like the majority of so called trainers today, and passed an exam and practical. That does not qualify you. There are far too many out of shape, deconditioned “trainers” taken up space in health clubs today.

    Walk the walk…. or else your talk means ziltch. The biggest loser made two great choices.

  43. Matthew January 5, 2011 at 10:48 am #

    “Ashley says:
    December 16, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Just the fact that when you google her, her aspiring acting career pops up and there is nothing about fitness should tell you enough.”

    —> No, it doesn’t tell you *anything* but what is available on websites. You won’t find much on me either. Not everyone has their entire resume and life story out there for everyone else to see. Hopefully, it only tells you precisely what she wanted you to know and nothing more. Otherewise, she might open herself up to public scrutiny in ways she doesn’t want. I keep a low online profile becuase I don’t want to expose myself to the threat of identity theft; perhaps she has reasons for not revealing everything about herself so soon? Give her the benefit of the doubt, please?

    “Sounds like another story about a girl sleeping her way onto television. Not rare in Hollywood.”

    —> WOW?! Let’s not jump to such slanderous conclusions so quickly, okay? That’s just irresponsible gossip, IMO.

    “When will television producers realize that the viewing audience isn’t THAT stupid?”

    —> I disagree. The “viewing audience” obviously like to watch attractive people on television, regardless of that person’s qualifications in any particular area. Take for example all the people that hang on every word that some random popular actor has to say about politics.

    “Even if she DID get certified after the fact – she obviously got the job for reasons other than fitness expertise.”

    —> Oh sure, “obviously” she did. Are you kidding us here? You said this before you actually *knew* anything about her. Again, merely gossip.

    Lisa Johnson says:
    December 21, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    “The other option is that she’s not a good trainer and people are copying her moves at home without medical staff standing by (as they are in BL). Then you’ve got people hurting themselves at home. That would be bad too. ” – Lisa Johnson

    You mean like Jillian having 300+ pound contestants walk on their hands on a treadmill until they fall flat on their face onto a moving belt?

    I agree with many of your points, and some of your reader’s, but again there is often an element of irresponsibility with Jillian on this show. So six of one, half a dozen of the other.

    I mean, “unknown” is okay with me in this case! With Jillian, you KNOW she’s going to be doing something dangerous in the name of “creativity.” I’d take my chances with someone else in a heartbeat. And then if it got dangerous with _them_ (and I’m not talking strenuous, literally dangerous), I’d start going up the chain of command within the show. If they want drama, they could record a contestant telling them point blank, “this is negligent and irresponsible, I will not participate in that activity – find something else for me to do.”

  44. Amber January 5, 2011 at 10:54 am #

    I’m shocked at some of the comments about this isn’t a realistic expectation for people out there and this isn’t an effective way to loose weight and keep it off. These people don’t need to loose 20,30,or 40 pounds. They NEED to loose hundreds of pounds (some of them). I have a trainer friend that helped someone lose 100 pounds in six months, and he had a job, wife, and life! It is possible if you put the effort in. And let’s be honest, most of these people wouldn’t lose this weight if not in that environment. Watch some of the Where Are They Now episodes, they show plenty of contestants that not only kept the weight off, but use the knowledge they have gained to help others. I love TBL, they have helped over 200 morbidly obese people lose weight, and inspired millions of others to try a little bit harder as well!

  45. Lisa Johnson January 5, 2011 at 7:34 pm #

    AnaB you rock! Thanks! :-) Great to have confirmation …

  46. Lisa Johnson January 5, 2011 at 7:36 pm #

    Ken, I wonder how you train now versus when you just started. I’m sure you were eager, read everything you could get your hands on and really focused on your clients during your sessions. Still, how do you train today, versus then? How did you train differently a year into your career? Do you think Cara can transition from athlete to trainers just by tapping her boxing gloves together and be at the skill set required to take on a MORBIDLY OBESE population? Do you think sparring as a athlete, even training other athletes at the Golden Glove level translates into a bunch of really overweight people who find walking a mile difficult? Where did she pick up the skill set for that? ’nuff said.


  47. Lisa Johnson January 5, 2011 at 7:41 pm #

    Matthew thanks for your points, you’ll noticed I avoided commenting on the “how she got the job” part :-) Very interesting point about can she be worse than Jillian, I guess my response to that would be, why can’t they find awesome, super qualified trainers. As far as low profile on the internet, I don’t know you’re full name but I’m assuming if I googled it you’d come up somewhere as a trainer right? I did a super, super thorough search and got nothing, that’s really unusual … unless of course you’ve never been a trainer before. So, yes, I could be wrong and I HOPE I AM! But sadly, I don’t think so …


  48. m January 5, 2011 at 7:42 pm #

    Lisa Johnson says:
    December 21, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    “The other option is that she’s not a good trainer and people are copying her moves at home without medical staff standing by (as they are in BL). Then you’ve got people hurting themselves at home. That would be bad too. ” – Lisa Johnson

    Well take Jillian for example. She is certified in kettlebell training but experts that view her dvd have came out and said her technique is wrong and will get people hurt. Did she recall her dvds no, its all about money. Also I remeber Jillian stating “I’m going to adopt. I can’t handle doing that to my body,” what a joke coming from a ” fitness trainer”.

  49. Lisa Johnson January 5, 2011 at 7:45 pm #

    Amber, I have tried to figure out the long term weight loss success of the post-season contestants and have failed. I even asked Producer JD Roth point blank if they gave the contestants any strategies for after they left the show. His basic response was, no, we’ve given them the tools, they need to be adults and act like one. I was saddened by that because the transition from campus to real life is soooo different. That said, the Where are They Now episodes show the same people over and over again, you don’t see “all” of them. I wish I knew the percentage because they say what they do is so life changing. I totally believe that it is for a LOT of the contestants, but if the show was hugely successful at long term weight loss I’m sure they’d share the numbers with us and they aren’t … silence speaks volumes.

  50. Lisa Johnson January 5, 2011 at 7:49 pm #

    M … the line about adopting because of a pregnancy “doing something” to her body really, really bothered me too. I know plenty of amazing women who have multiple kids and amazing bodies. I’m a Mom myself and the experience of being pregnant is such a powerful one. The whole “I’m making a life!” feeling is amazing and I’m so glad I got the chance to do it. Apparently though she has medical reasons that make it difficult for her to conceive. In that case, what can you do?

    Also, as far as I know, she is NOT certified in kettle bell training. It’s a very rigorous training program and I don’t think she went through it. She also has a yoga video out and I don’t believe she’s certified as a yoga instructor either. This is per IDEA, a fitness industry site that checked into her certifications a few months ago. :-)


  51. THEREALDEAL January 5, 2011 at 9:35 pm #


  52. TO Nicole January 5, 2011 at 9:38 pm #

    Just a note – I am proud of your accomplishments but…
    AS a boxer and as a friend of many female boxers including some names…
    Very rarely do FEMALE BOXERS EVER MAKE WEIGHT. There just aren’t enough of them to warrant cancelling a fight if one of the fighters is 2 or 4 or 6 pounds off.

  53. Lisa Johnson January 5, 2011 at 10:39 pm #

    The Real Deal, I know there are real trainers on the set, I’ve had former contestants say that Jillian & Bob are frequently off-set either filming separate segments or doing promotional stuff. What I don’t know is who “designs” the workouts … that’s the big question, is it lead by faculty at a nearby university? That would be nice … or is it the TV trainers, the off-screen staff? I would LOVE to know the answer to that question. :-) Thanks for bringing up the point.

  54. zim January 6, 2011 at 12:27 am #

    you are right. It is Brett and Cara. Jillian said so herself in this video (got to 8:37). http://www.tvgrapevine.com/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo&Itemid=58&video_id=88

    she didn’t give last names, but she called them brett and cara. I’d been thinking they’d gotten Mohammad Ali’s daughter to be the new girl trainer.

  55. Julie January 6, 2011 at 10:43 am #

    Lisa – I have the same question as you do. Who designs the programs. I am sorry to say I think that Cara is less than qualified to deal with an EXTREMELY obese client on her own. Too bad that did not get someone pretty who ALSO has high credentials – degree, ACSM, etc….. Guess that isn’t in the ratings.

  56. Lisa Johnson January 6, 2011 at 2:10 pm #

    Thanks Zim, yup, we’ve got a link to the video in another post. Thanks for letting us know. :-)

  57. Ashley January 7, 2011 at 11:03 pm #

    Matthew – I wish I lived in the same naive bubble that you seem to. You obviously don’t live in Hollywood, like I do, or you’d know that your assumptions in the other direction from me are far more outlandish.

    Given the fact that The Biggest Loser is the single most popular weight-loss show franchise in the world right now, they should be expected to be held at a higher standard than what they are delivering. Brett Hoebel is a certified, legitimate trainer. And he’s good looking. Cara Castranova is a wanna-be actress – BIG DIFFERENCE. I’m sure there were plenty of qualified trainers who were easy on the eyes that tried out for her spot, yet in the end, she was the best they could do? If you don’t think she slept her way on that show, then I’m sorry to inform you, but the Easter Bunny does not exist either.

    She’s a 2-time Golden Gloves winner, which means she can box and BE trained. Doesn’t mean she can train anyone.

  58. Ashley January 7, 2011 at 11:15 pm #

    And last I checked – The Biggest Loser is not a boxing show. It’s a fitness and weight-loss show.

  59. Cher January 8, 2011 at 12:18 pm #

    Lisa, I am totally disgusted by your blog. I have accepted that you intend to slander Cara. I say this because I have written to you concerning my view which was positive and you refused to post it. However, you have allowed Ashley to write a horrific untrue posting. You have decided not to be objective. How could you let someone post that Cara slept her way to the top. This is hearsay. You put yourself out there as a professional? I will post my view on your blog on other websites and alert them to the fact you refused to post my original posting. As a woman I am so shocked that you would have posted on your blog that Cara had to sleep her way to get this job. You make it clear to all to “Be nice. Keep it clean. Stay on topic” how is what Ashley is saying being nice or keeping it clean but yet YOU ALLOWED IT ON HERE. I have to assume it is completely out of maliciousness and jealousy on your part.

  60. Lisa Johnson January 8, 2011 at 3:04 pm #

    Cher, I did not say that anyone slept their way anywhere. I do not condone the topic and actually specifically avoided it. I’m not making any such claim. You’re comments were basically “trollish” and actually I’d say slanderous towards me. I’m letting this one through with trepidation. Play nice or go away. My blog, my rules.

    For the record I don’t think she did, and if she did I guess I don’t really care. My issue is that she was chosen at all, not the how she was chosen. Again, we don’t officially know her certifications yet and if she has any history of working with clients. We’ll have to wait for the show’s producers to enlighten us.


  61. Bob Choat January 8, 2011 at 3:55 pm #


    Ashley simply gave her opinion. And it’s just that and not based on fact. Lisa did not defend Ashley statement or even acknowledged it. You were the only one that acknowledged what she said.

    I can attest though that having boxed in the amateurs, that the majority of boxers are not qualified as trainers simply because of the lack of understanding of the science behind effective training. That includes proper form and an understanding of the muscular-skeletal system. Bad form can lead to injuries and muscle imbalances. Boxers don’t have this understanding unless they’ve had studies in such. I don’t know Cara’s background and will not judge her abilities in training. She may be one of the few boxers that has the schooling in training. Again, I don’t know.

    As a trainer, I would like to know her qualifications, besides boxing and acting, that she has in training. I don’t want the average person to get the idea that she is an expert in it if she’s not. Like I stated before, it’s about preventing injuries.


  62. Lisa Johnson January 8, 2011 at 4:38 pm #

    thank you Bob, nicely put. :-)

  63. Cher January 8, 2011 at 9:38 pm #

    Thank you finally printing my comments. I respect your views it is just sad that you did not respect mine the first time.

  64. S. Libbman January 11, 2011 at 10:50 pm #

    Obviously Cara is doing something right considering the fact the unknowns destroyed Bob and Jillian’s team the first week. We’ll see if it keeps up.

  65. Jules January 12, 2011 at 1:29 am #

    Cher sounds fat.

    Geez. Chill out.

  66. Cher Keynatas January 12, 2011 at 12:58 pm #

    Dear Lisa,

    I guess someone calling me fat is a part of your being nice and keeping it clean. I wish you to know that there is case law concerning legal action being brought against bloggers and what they allow to be posted. I am not fat. Jules, I will not chill out. You do not understand the background of Lisa refusing to print my comments but allowing others to be heard. Allowing someone to print that Cara had slept her way to the top. As a woman I abhor this type of stuff. I am saddened that another working woman professional would allow it to to be printed. It is found there are lots of other blogging sites that act more professionally.

  67. J January 13, 2011 at 2:19 am #


    You are self absorbed to turn this entire discussion about you and your poor comment not getting posted. Who cares if you are a woman, why do you keep bringing that up? Freedom of speech is all I have to say in regards to this blog. She did not put anyone down or lie so if you do not like it go elsewhere and leave Lisa alone. Your comments keep bringing the author down which makes you no better of a person. Get a life outside of this blog because you took this topic and turned it around.

    That being said, I really hope that any trainer on or off the show always has the proper certifications and training. Lisa I think you are doing a great job keep it up.

  68. Lisa Johnson January 13, 2011 at 10:25 am #

    J, thanks for coming to my defense. I appreciate it. Let’s just call it a day and move on. Cher, you are entitled to your opinion and I am a big proponent of freedom of speech so it is often a judgment call with these comments. I would honestly suggest that you start your own blog and start making the calls about comments going through. In the history of this blog I think I’ve only blocked 4 or 5 comments that weren’t spam. It’s not as easy as you might think.

    At this point let’s just keep the discussion focused on the Biggest Loser and the new trainers and what we think of them. :-) Otherwise I’ll be forced to close down the comments to this post and that would be a shame. Thanks,


  69. David January 13, 2011 at 11:17 am #


    What Cher has written is actually a fact. I am sure everything on your website has and is being recorded like all the rest of them. I would be careful about what you decide to post on your blog because it could possible lead you into some serious legal problems up the road. Your blog was good to a certain point but I have to agree with Cher that by you allowing someone to post that Cara slept her way to the top in order to get the job was in poor judgment. You said that you did not make any comments to what Ashley said but this is your blog and you allowed it to posted. Also Cher sounds to me like a lawyer by how she writes so you may want to be careful what is being blogged and what you are allowing to be published on your site. Also why would you allow on your blog to have Jules make a comment like that to Cher? I mean your suppose to be a professional and by allowing someone to make a comment about someone else like that is just mean. You may want to remove your statement “Be nice. Keep it clean. Stay on topic” because what you have allowed to be posted recently is not.

  70. Lisa Johnson January 13, 2011 at 2:17 pm #

    What I find interesting is how many people are trashing Kenneth Tong on another post and no one is saying boo … so … there’s that. Seriously, back on topic or I just close the comments. Please, pretty please … I’m asking nicely … L–

  71. David G. January 13, 2011 at 3:29 pm #

    Lisa has the legal right to publish and edit comments as she sees fit: https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/230. And she’s right – it’s not as easy as you think.

    @David, @Cher – Please quit alluding to “case law” and “serious legal problems.” You’re wrong.

  72. Kristi January 13, 2011 at 5:16 pm #

    This is absurd – a blogger could be sued because someone in the comments says something? That’s like me walking into McDonald’s, spewing out a lot of b.s. about someone and then McDonald’s getting sued for it.

    I also think it’s a little amusing that the “legal experts” talking about who can be sued for what in here are hiding behind the anonymous grey dude – no photos, no real names, no links.

    In general, as a blogger, I probably wouldn’t publish several comments here at all simply because I prefer to have real people commenting on my site who stand behind their opinions, not possible trolls who are just out to stir up trouble. So start being thankful that Lisa’s letting some of you express your opinions here at all and stop trying to be threatening.

  73. Lisa Johnson January 13, 2011 at 5:22 pm #

    Wow, thanks Kristi, :-) I feel like I just got a big sister. LOL, thanks David also for the link, it was invaluable.

  74. Matthew January 17, 2011 at 5:47 pm #


    I think Cara who you say is the next biggest loser trainer you should cut some slack too. The unknowns have proven themselves on week one and I feel that says a lot. Why people are being so hard on this girl is terrible. She is helping people and even saving there lives. I am a big fan on this show and even though I like Jillian and Bob, I feel they needed a twist because it was becoming boring. Anyway I hope that you and everyone else will give these two people more respect. Even though on your blog it seems Cara is a target. I have been reading your blog and I see both views. I see why people would be angry at you and by what you have allowed to be exposed. Anyway I am upset as a fan that you would expose the unknowns because I really wanted it to be a surprise.

  75. NYC girl January 18, 2011 at 10:51 pm #

    I personally know Cara and have seen her fight. She’s not an incredible boxer, and often goes into the ring with full make-up on. She is not a coach, and has no idea what it takes to be a fitness trainer. I wish her the best but it is all just a farse.

  76. Lisa Johnson January 19, 2011 at 8:06 am #

    NYC girl, thanks for your comments, I’ve been trying to find out how many clients she’s had and so far haven’t found any. L–

  77. Cher January 19, 2011 at 8:35 am #

    Lisa, I really enjoyed last nights episode! So far the unknowns seem to be doing well. Tell me what is your view on Jillian being sued over “bogus” claims concerning diet pills. What is your view on this as a fitness “professional”. I find it odd because really I thought that the Biggest Loser is about diet and exercise. I work out 4 times a week and I try to eat well. I have never thought of diet pills as something that is good. I wanted your view.

  78. Lisa Johnson January 19, 2011 at 12:22 pm #

    Cher, the Biggest Loser, very much to it’s credit talks about weaning people off of medications and getting their nutritional needs from the food they eat. I think that’s awesome and I very much agree with it. While I am a fitness person, I am not a nutritionist, but I work with a great one and she agrees, you shouldn’t need supplements beyond Vitamin D (especially if you live North of the Mason Dixon line). Walter Willett who is in charge of the Harvard Nurse’s study says to take Vitamin D and a multi-vitamin “for insurance.”

  79. Matthew January 20, 2011 at 2:26 pm #

    I guess those of us from the central California “bubble” need to work on being more jaded, judgmental and closed minded like Hollywood. The people I hang out with don’t simply accuse someone without facts about that instance.

    Thanks for the tip.

  80. Lisa Johnson January 20, 2011 at 4:42 pm #

    OK, no more nastiness, we’re done with the nastiness, we’re moving on … let it go, let it go … deep inhale … deep exhale … aaaahhhhh L–

  81. Bev February 24, 2011 at 1:34 pm #

    I hope the Biggest Loser doesn’t keep these new trainers, they are obnoxious. And I hope Bob and Jillian stay with the Biggest Loser. I don’t think I could set and with one of my favorite shows with those two new trainers. Her voice gets on my nerves!!!! I liked it better when they were the unknowns.

  82. wr March 9, 2011 at 8:33 pm #

    This is silly. Having qualifications apparently means nothing, since The Biggest Loser “trains” its contestants in the most unhealthy way imaginable. Putting people through a brutal fat camp where they drop 20 lbs per week is not healthy or sustainable. The majority of these contestants gain the weight back. If that’s what “certified” trainers are doing to people, I say let the uncertified have a shot.

  83. Lisa Johnson March 9, 2011 at 10:32 pm #

    WR, we’re talking about level of certification … you can actually just pay $40 to an online service and get a “personal training cert” all of the trainers on BL did more than that, stuff that required study, but didn’t require you physically walking into a gym to become certified. I want some athletic trainer dude from a top NCAA university, that’s what I want!

    Thanks for the comment though, it was nicely put. L–

  84. Jessica March 15, 2011 at 2:24 am #

    This is Lisa’s blog and she’s entitled to write about whatever she wants and print comments from whomever she wants. She doesn’t have to publish comments full of vaguely threatening word salad that is supposed to sound professional and intelligent when it is actually neither. Using incomplete sentences and passive phrases like ‘it is found that’ hardly lend credibility to an argument but rather undermine it. Referring to a comment above by a poster that another poster ‘sounds like a lawyer by how she writes’ makes me wonder what kind of lawyers he’s met.

    Lisa understands from years in the fitness industry how much trainers can help their clients and drastically change their lives or hurt people to the point of being unable to exercise if they aren’t careful, responsible, certified and educated. She’s not wrong to question NBC’s decision to cast a trainer who is telegenic and holds boxing titles but has little else in the way of credible qualifications (no education, no rigorous certification), especially when most of the viewing audience takes it for granted that Cara is a good representative for the fitness industry and responsible fitness professionals. If Cara walked into a gym and wanted a job without her experience on TBL on her resume, it’s likely that most wouldn’t even consider hiring her for anything but floor work or entry level training (if they offered her a position at all). I believe that NBC made a mistake in casting a trainer who doesn’t have any experience working in the field, particularly with a clinical population*.

    *clinical population: morbidly obese, for which there are dozens of certifications recognized and offered by the top tier personal training organizations. One does not train the morbidly obese the same way as a healthy, normal weight client- it should be obvious, but it’s a seductive premise to viewers that the chronically inactive can be trained as hard as Olympic level athletes.

  85. Lisa Johnson March 15, 2011 at 7:23 am #

    Very articulate Jessica, thank you :-)

  86. Tara Burner April 13, 2011 at 5:17 pm #

    All I know about Brett is, he’s kicking my butt in RevAbs.
    Only thing I had issue w/is he misnamed a pose that was used in the warm up/cool down round (http://www.taraburner.com/team-beachbody/day-2-of-revabs.php) but other than that…(at least with this workout) he’s point on and knowledgeable, precise and a killer smile and energy/enthusiasm. I haven’t watched biggest loser lately..may have to! lol

  87. Hulk Hogan August 29, 2011 at 10:02 am #

    Lisa…Sounds to me like you have a full blown case of envy going here. You obvioulsy hate Cara because she got what you so desperately wanted. Who said like was fair? So, swallow your bile and get on with your life.

  88. Lisa Johnson August 29, 2011 at 10:17 am #

    Hulk, you do know that Cara got fired right? … they didn’t renew her contract of Brett’s … I’m definitely not envious of crashing and burning on national tv.

  89. Fitness Instructor January 5, 2012 at 12:03 pm #

    It’s gratifying to see that your article confirms my viewpoint. I couldn’t have said this better myself. You’ve really gone above and beyond with this article. Thank you very much.

  90. Lisa Johnson January 5, 2012 at 4:18 pm #

    Thanks … :-) L–


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